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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.10.12 15:28:00 -
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It sounds as though he's likely spaceborne. Deadspace facilities are both common and difficult to find, though they're also subject to having capsuleers detect activity and turn up if they get noisy. Absent CONCORD protection, that normally isn't healthy for anybody but the capsuleer.
It might be an effective method of staying out of sight, particularly if whatever facility he's at has CONCORD endorsement (which wouldn't imply that CONCORD knows he's there).
Presumably, the FDU, also, would love to get its mitts on the ex-executor, but it's possible that the FDU doesn't know what to look for. Ironically, Tibus Heth may be safest behind the Federal front line. |
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Posted - 2013.10.13 03:32:00 -
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Gods and spirits ... soldiers, everybody breaks. That really is the first rule of torture. The question is when. The next couple of questions are whether it's true and whether it's any use even if it is.
Consider: (1) Tibus Heth's knowledge is already months out of date and (2) has been known by the Caldari State to reside in the head of an enemy of the Caldari State (as it currently exists) for pretty much exactly that long.
That's about as compromised as intel gets short of being actually falsified. It's likely to be worth the swift capture of anyone attempting to follow up on it, on the assumption that such a person is a Dragonaur agent.
So ... um, knock yourselves out, I suppose?
(Though, really, the FDU would be better served by turning Heth-hnolku over to the State if you should happen to catch him, assuming you want this war to end at some point.)
Dagger-Two wrote:Based on some of the comments here, I'm glad this is in capsuleer hands.
Bluntly, soldier, they're as bad as we are. Possibly worse. We're mostly just a bunch of soldiers with what seem to be some nasty cases of PTSD and the very occasional technologically-induced schitzophrenic.
Capsuleers go cold, quickly, and they do it a bit differently than we do. Hopefully these FDU forces are as responsible as you seem to think. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:07:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:If you check my affiliation, you would see that I work with capsuleers constantly. I have direct contact with many of the most prominent FDU capsuleers. I even speak with the Villore Accord director Julianus Soter on a near daily basis. Some I even spend my free time with.
Believe me, I see far more sanity amongst them than I do amongst most mercenaries.
One major problem with capsuleer dementia, soldier: it's often quite subtle, most comparable to a sort of progressive psychopathy. Watch how they treat losses or kills, check the crew complements involved, and the nature of the issue will become apparent.
Many of us are a little cracked, it's quite true. Would we casually wipe out communities, given the chance? ... I suppose we'll eventually find out. So far, civilians seem to be kept pretty well off our battlefields.
Templar Crusader Ouryon:
It was Galm Fae who coined the phrase "going 514" as a generic term for deep mental illness among clone soldiers. Finding those who are in the process of it doesn't thus far seem too difficult; they tend to be unsubtle. I'm more interested in the typical causes, which so far seem to have less to do with childhood memories than with recent and repeated physical trauma. A few still seem to be under the influence of obsolete implants, though that might itself be a delusion or even a lie.
Please forgive me for taking an interest in what is becoming of us, and in what methods we might use to lengthen your usefulness to your empress. I suppose I presumptuously assumed that you cared. |
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:13:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Oh I understand the importance of it, though I prefer to talk with people who do not spend every second of it analysing me and looking for my mental flaws, which of course their are some, I'm not "514" like some immortals, but scars run deep, talking about them is my business, not something I want dragged out of me or into conversation. Nor something you need to drag out of others.
Perhaps that is so-- and yet, I cannot remember having attempted to extract such insights from you, Templar Crusader. Nor have I attempted to extract from any what they did not willingly share that I can remember. Your revelations in my discussion of the topic were your own, made without personal solicitation from myself or any agent of mine I am aware of.
In one breath you praise my honor, in the next you accuse me of prying into your private affairs-- baselessly, as far as I can recall. Is this concern of yours based upon what I have done? Or on what you fear I might? |
Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:49:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Is this concern of yours based upon what I have done? Or on what you fear I might? Both, perhaps.
Perhaps.
And yet it cannot be based on what you have already revealed, can it? Raa, the fear of the lethal outside? You revealed that of your own initiative, without any special prompting from me.
Let me be very clear, templar: I study our kind, "our kind" being the clone soldier infomorph subtype. I'm not precisely a scientist, because my methods are more anecdotal than a scientist would find acceptable. I'm not precisely a psychiatrist or psychologist, despite my title. I'm more of a natural philosopher.
I observe behavior that catches my attention-- and yours, presently, is making you very interesting indeed. This may have something to do with having slandered my name, which is something I'd normally consider difficult to do.
Being as this would normally fit under the heading of having wronged an ally, and being as I normally regard PIE to be an honorable entity, the proper approach for me at this point would be to file a detailed complaint with your superior. What happens next will tell me many things.
Do you care to explain why I should not? |
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:59:00 -
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((May I suggest undertaking some effort to recover rather than simply redacting it? Challenges overcome are far more interesting than challenges retconned. It actually struck me as a very interesting character quirk-- and the redirection of blame onto Yun Hee exceedingly human and sympathetic, if a little ill-advised.
((She's not exactly your neighborhood shrink, after all. More like a predator with a keen interest in what makes people predatory.)) |
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Posted - 2013.10.14 17:45:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:I thought the purge was only for first gen clones?
Correct, of whom Templar Steadyhand is or was apparently one. If he still is, an upgrade is probably in order, unless something prevents it.
Templar Steadyhand:
Unless someone can actually point up why first-gens were "going 514," which I hope someone will eventually explain, I'm mostly concerned with the behavior of our class as a whole. Outlying cases are interesting, but what I'm really most concerned with is the direction of the clone soldier as a whole-- our fate, if you like.
At least in part, my concern is self-interested: I want to know what I can expect to happen to me, what sort of creature I am becoming. It's something of a hobby, but I wouldn't say that I do it for fun.
So-- maybe not so much a "field day." I'd be happy for us to talk, however.
Meeko Fent wrote:I dont understand exactly what Heth Did.
Gotta read the history books again.
He's one of those figures who's more complicated than people make him out to be, but I'm not sure it makes a great difference, in the end.
He was the Caldari State Executor-- very nearly a dictator-- for the last several years, having risen to power in a popular uprising and gained nigh-unchallenged authority in the aftermath of the Malkalen disaster, in which his primary rival perished. His signature feat was taking advantage of the systemic disruption caused by the Elder Fleet's destruction of the CONCORD bureau at Yulai to invade Gallente space and reconquer Caldari Prime, the Caldari homeworld, in the Luminaire system.
He's been slowly losing support ever since: his policies showed vicious anti-Gallentean sentiment, and he wasn't a particularly good administrator. It all sort of came to a head with the Gallentean push to retake Caldari Prime, which did not end so much with a loss as a stalemate involving a crash-landed titan. Heth essentially burned what good will he retained by ordering the titan's commander to fire her doomsday weapon on the planet (the Caldari homeworld, remember), then forcing her to commit suicide when she refused.
With support declining, he made one brief, mad attempt, with Templis Dragonaur assistance, to seize military assets so as to retake Caldari Prime and rescue his legacy. The Caldari Navy interceded, and the attempt failed, with most Templis forces present killed or captured, though Heth himself escaped. He's now considered a fugitive and an enemy of the Caldari State.
It's easy to dismiss his ideas as xenophobic and simple-minded, but there were places where his influence was very positive. He greatly reformed the Caldari meritocracy, which had been slowly degrading into a sort of plutocratic feudal state. He was a populist leader, which is something we badly needed. The State corporate system will probably remain relatively stable for decades to come as a result of his influence.
We have much to thank him for, but also much cause for anger. His gifts to us came soaked in poisonous hate, and in the end he would have preferred to render the Caldari homeworld uninhabitable than lose it again. Yet, without him, we would remain an unstable plutocracy, and the world the Civire and Deteis call "Home" would remain out of reach in Gallentean hands, instead of being the jointly-administered demilitarized zone it has become. |
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